GGT 104 bought MK today and will trade it towards some other shitty game tomorrow

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[quote name='hankmecrankme']In Chac's book, the 10/10 game is some weeaboo looking import shmup, while the 9/10 game probably has Shin Megami Tensei in the title.

His ultimate game would be a J360 shmup named Shin Megami Tensei x Bible Black: Mayhem Edition.[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='ihadFG']Well I did say "your book". ;)[/QUOTE]

That's just it. I've never written a book.

I am books.

nah man I gotta hit the books takes on a whole new meaning.
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']In Chac's book, the 10/10 game is some weeaboo looking import shmup, while the 9/10 game probably has Shin Megami Tensei in the title.

His ultimate game would be a J360 shmup named Shin Megami Tensei x Bible Black.[/QUOTE]

Are you honestly telling me that you wouldn't consider that the ultimate game of all time?

Dawg, I would never pull out.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']
I am books.
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Well since we are on the internet where everyone has notoriously bad grammar, I could have meant you're books instead of your books.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Are you honestly telling me that you wouldn't consider that the ultimate game of all time?

Dawg, I would never pull out.[/QUOTE]

Dude, I'd buy a J360 JUST for that game. I mean, imagine hot Persona girls getting buttfucked by Bible Black futa girls. :drool:
 
[quote name='Chacrana']That's just it. I've never written a book.

I am books.

nah man I gotta hit the books takes on a whole new meaning.[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='ihadFG']Well since we are on the internet where everyone has notoriously bad grammar, I could have meant you're books instead of your books.[/QUOTE]

That's deep.

So am I.

In Shin Megami Tensei x Bible Black
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']Shin Megami Tensei: Monogatari Mayhem[/QUOTE]

So... it's called True Goddess Legend: Story Mayhem?

That makes more sense than most of the NIS titles we get here, I guess...
 
[quote name='Chacrana']That's deep.

So am I.

In Shin Megami Tensei x Bible Black[/QUOTE]

Hopefully it wouldn't be like every other shumup that gets ported to the US and it gets delayed for a long period of time (I'm looking at you Trouble Witches Neo...)
 
[quote name='ihadFG']Well then what about a 7 hour 10/10 game versus a 40 hour 9/10 game at an equal price/goozex value. Which was a more worthy purchase?[/QUOTE]

There's not much difference in a 9/10 and a 10/10 in my book. A 9/10 for me tends to be a near 10/10 that just has a few minor flaws that knock it down a notch.

So I'd go for the longer game as a better value for me personally.

I just like longer games as long as they're well done. They cut down on the number of games I play each year, which makes it easier for me to stick to my goal of only playing the absolute cream of the crop in genre's I love, which makes me enjoy gaming more.

Last gen I played mainly shorter games and got burnt out on it as it was hard to find enough personal AAA games to keep myself playing year round. Thus I played too many games I was kind of "meh" on and got burnt out and felt like I was just wasting time I could have spent on other hobbies I enjoyed more etc.

Not being a diehard gamer, I have to be playing something I really love to not be feeling like "damn, I'd have had more fun watching a couple of movies tonight" etc.
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']Yes, prices are with shipping, and I'm sorry, but $15 shipped for Tabula Rasa is as low as I'd like to go.[/QUOTE]

Want to trade for anything on my list instead? I juts added a complete copy of Mace Griffin Bounty Hunter
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Want to trade for anything on my list instead? I juts added a complete copy of Mace Griffin Bounty Hunter[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I'm looking for a sealed UK import copy of that. What else do you have? Any complete mint James Pond games?
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']There's not much difference in a 9/10 and a 10/10 in my book. A 9/10 for me tends to be a near 10/10 that just has a few minor flaws that knock it down a notch.

So I'd go for the longer game as a better value for me personally.

I just like longer games as long as they're well done. They cut down on the number of games I play each year, which makes it easier for me to stick to my goal of only playing the absolute cream of the crop in genre's I love, which makes me enjoy gaming more.
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Theoretically if you bought both though, which was the better game, the one that provided 7 hours of gaming bliss or the one that provided 40 hours of greatness?

The reason I'm saying this is that a lot of people associate length with quality/review scores.
 
In Chac's book, the 10/10 game is some weeaboo looking import shmup, while the 9/10 game probably has Shin Megami Tensei in the title.

His ultimate game would be a J360 shmup named Shin Megami Tensei x Bible Black.

Incorrect. it needs to be at least 10 years old before it can be good.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']Theoretically if you bought both though, which was the better game, the one that provided 7 hours of gaming bliss or the one that provided 40 hours of greatness?

The reason I'm saying this is that a lot of people associate length with quality/review scores.[/QUOTE]

It's hard to say without actually playing them.

I'd lean toward the 40 hour great game though as that's going to leave more of an impression in the long term than some great short game that I blow throw in a weekend and never touch again.

Length doesn't equal quality though. It just adds value to a quality game IMO. Quality is independent. I try not play things that aren't 9/10 or 10/10's for me personally, and all things being equal I prefer longer games as it's more quality gaming for my hard earned money.
 
[quote name='linkpwns']Incorrect. it needs to be at least 10 years old before it can be good.[/QUOTE]

Cave games and hentai games are exempt from this fact.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']It's hard to say without actually playing them.

I'd lean toward the 40 hour great game though as that's going to leave more of an impression in the long term than some great short game that I blow throw in a weekend and never touch again.[/QUOTE]

But what I meant is that the 7 hour game will leave more of a positive impression than the 40 hour game. I'm trying to get across the point that the 7 hour game is better overall, and will therefore be something you look back at slightly more fondly. In that situation, would your answer still be the same?

For instance, compare one of your favorite short games to a long game that you really like, but not quite as much that short game. Which one was a more worthy purchase for you?
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']Cave games and hentai games are exempt from this fact.[/QUOTE]

But modern Cave games and hentai games lack the charm of old school games. So linkpwns is technically right.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']But modern Cave games and hentai games lack the charm of old school games. So linkpwns is technically right.[/QUOTE]
You'd better throw those copies of Nocturne and Ketsui in the trash then!!

I can't wait for 10 years from now when 99% of modern games are regarded as shit, like 99% of N64/PS1 games are. ^__^
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']You'd better throw those copies of Nocturne and Ketsui in the trash then!!

I can't wait for 10 years from now when 99% of modern games are regarded as shit, like 99% of N64/PS1 games are. ^__^[/QUOTE]

No you don't. Because modern games then will all be Farmville add-ons.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']But what I meant is that the 7 hour game will leave more of a positive impression than the 40 hour game. I'm trying to get across the point that the 7 hour game is better overall, and will therefore be something you look back at slightly more fondly. In that situation, would your answer still be the same?

For instance, compare one of your favorite short games to a long game that you really like, but not quite as much that short game. Which one was a more worthy purchase for you?[/QUOTE]

I'd still probably go for length. Here's a clarification that may help.

The games that tend to stick out for me are mainly (with exceptions) ones that had good stories that kept me playing. Longer games tend to have better/more in-depth stories than shorter games as they're mainly RPGs etc.

The other types of games that really stick out for me are ones that are light on story but stick out as they got played a shit ton in multiplayer online or with friends etc. Stuff like Goldeneye, Mario Kart 64, the Gears of War series etc. On back to 16 bit fighting games etc.

I can think of very few really short single player games that I really reflect on very fondly (i.e. on par with those types of games and the longer story driven ones)--just some like Super Metroid, the Mario games etc.

Shorter games like a single player only shooter or Alan Wake etc. are just good, quick one-time experiences. I enjoy them, but they don't leave much of a lasting impression. And I've never been in to things like Shmups, etc. that are short and lack stories etc. Nor pick up and play types of games.

I like games that suck me into their world for a few hours and make me forget about things--just like a great movie or book does. I don't play for challenge or the gameplay specifically as much as I do for the ability to get lost in a virtual world for a while. Longer games with in-depth stories, big worlds to explore etc. are what tend to achieve that for me. Though I can also get lost in shooters with great gamplay, good online modes etc, though it's a different type of immersion.


Also, getting back to your question, even if I do happen to look back more fondly on a shorter gamer, the longer game that wasn't quite as good was a better "value" assuming I bought it at the same price. It was nearly as good and gave me more hours of entertainment for the same money.
 
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[quote name='Chacrana']No you don't. Because modern games then will all be Farmville add-ons.[/QUOTE]

I'm all about living in the past, babe.

Look at my music and movie collection.

Farmville 360 with Kinect support plz.
 
lol @ the popular blogs part of the CAG front page. Mine's at #1, way ahead of legitimate things like Shipwreck's Portal 2 review, and then the #3 blog is the hissyfit one where nobody sides with the moron who posted it.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']lol @ the popular blogs part of the CAG front page. Mine's at #1, way ahead of legitimate things like Shipwreck's Portal 2 review, and then the #3 blog is the hissyfit one where nobody sides with the moron who posted it.[/QUOTE]
Damn, I forgot there was a front page to the site to begin with.
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']Damn, I forgot there was a front page to the site to begin with.[/QUOTE]

Most of it's filled with deals to save $1 or less, or some other dumb shit nobody cares about.
 
My roommate keeps proving he's retarded.

He keeps switching between playing Portal 2 on PS3 and on his laptop for no reason. He'll seriously play maybe half an hour one one then switch to the other.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']No you don't. Because modern games then will all be Farmville add-ons.[/QUOTE]

I just clearly saw what Hell will be when I get there.
 
Didn't Ninja Gaiden have a locked camera until Black came along? It was still a good game...they should of made one for PSP. Don't always need that 2nd analog, it helps a fucking lot though.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I'd still probably go for length. Here's a clarification that may help.

The games that tend to stick out for me are mainly (with exceptions) ones that had good stories that kept me playing. Longer games tend to have better/more in-depth stories than shorter games as they're mainly RPGs etc.

The other types of games that really stick out for me are ones that are light on story but stick out as they got played a shit ton in multiplayer online or with friends etc. Stuff like Goldeneye, Mario Kart 64, the Gears of War series etc. On back to 16 bit fighting games etc.

I can think of very few really short single player games that I really reflect on very fondly (i.e. on par with those types of games and the longer story driven ones)--just some like Super Metroid, the Mario games etc.

Shorter games like a single player only shooter or Alan Wake etc. are just good, quick one-time experiences. I enjoy them, but they don't leave much of a lasting impression. And I've never been in to things like Shmups, etc. that are short and lack stories etc. Nor pick up and play types of games.

I like games that suck me into their world for a few hours and make me forget about things--just like a great movie or book does. I don't play for challenge or the gameplay specifically as much as I do for the ability to get lost in a virtual world for a while. Longer games with in-depth stories, big worlds to explore etc. are what tend to achieve that for me. Though I can also get lost in shooters with great gamplay, good online modes etc, though it's a different type of immersion.
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I definitely get what you are saying up until this point. And in those cases length does affect quality (although indirectly). So you are still saying that longer games have a bigger impact on you because of all the added things that tend to come with length in a game (story, immersion, attachment, etc.)

And those are the kind of things that I consider when thinking about how much I liked a game (a 10/10 versus a 8/10 for instance). But for me, if a game can have just as big an impact on me in a shorter amount of time, then the value isn't lessened, which brings us to this:

[quote name='dmaul1114']
Also, getting back to your question, even if I do happen to look back more fondly on a shorter gamer, the longer game that wasn't quite as good was a "better" value assuming I bought it at the same price. It was nearly as good and gave me more hours of entertainment for the same money.[/QUOTE]

For me, how much I value a game is directly proportional to how much I like a game. Length for length's sake is irrelevant. I can understand it coming into the equation if you are limited in the amount of games that you want to play or you are only able to get absorbed into long games, but I don't think length should even enter into the equation when reviewing/scoring a game, which is where a lot of gamers tend to disagree with me (not saying you are one of them though).

Additionally, even if someone does prefer longer games, that still doesn't justify complaining when a game is too short, as long as the short length is appropriate for the game. Many games would be much worse off if they were longer, even if the added content isn't just fluff. The one thing I don't agree with is that a game should be valued less due to it's length. Even people with huge backlogs that play every major release and admit to liking short games seem to hold the idea that longer games are worth more. I can't tell you how many times I've read something along the lines of, "I'm sure this game is fantastic, but I can't justify spending full price on a 10 hour game. I'll wait for it to hit $20." from someone who would gladly pay full price for a 40 hour game that is not as high in quality and they wouldn't enjoy as much as the short game. I find this philosophy frustrating.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']Game length is irrelevant as long as it's suited to the game.[/QUOTE]

This is my philosophy as well. And that's why I hate how everyone complains about games being too short when they're not or saying a GOTY-quality short game isn't worth as much as a long 8/10 kind of game.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']This is my philosophy as well. And that's why I hate how everyone complains about games being too short when they're not or saying a GOTY-quality short game isn't worth as much as a long 8/10 kind of game.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I don't care about length. As long as its memorable and great, I'm happy. Some of my favorites were only 4 hours long.

I got a TON of new games now and coming soon. SOCOM 4, MK9, and FFIV Collection arrived today. Bought Arcana Heart 3 on PSN. God Eater Burst and DQVI arriving later this week. Playing Arcana Heart 3 now and enjoying it. Still trying to get use to its move list.
 
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